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How Apathy Destroyed the Dream


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NewHampster - Posted on 11 September 2008

I've been wanting to write this for sometime but held off due to my fear of women and more importantly, my fear of offending old friends.

Please don't kick me too hard and promise that if what I say smacks of sexism, you'll educate me rather than hate me.  I'm an old, dirty old, guy and I'm trying to learn but I have a problem with PC and a worse problem with tact.

This post is more an observation than a theory.  It is my view of what happened to Hillary that should never have happened.  Something I hope people learn from should she or another woman run in 2012.

Women, you really are your own worst enemy.

I've been blogging for democrats off and on since sometime in 2003.  I've been an active proponent of Senator Clinton since the day she announced her candidacy.  DU probably deleted but I know my old diaries still live on Daily Kos.  I give you permission to go read them, particularly the older field diaries. Eye-wink

All that was just to try and establish my creds as a Clinton supporter.  But then there's more.
Hill and Bill and NH

I started canvasssing my home town in late May of 2007 and continued up to the New Hampshire Primary.  I initially went into the State HQ in Manchester for phone banking one or two days a week then moved to the Salem office along with all of "Team Katie".  They were some incredble staffers.  The 3 Kates, Art and Jeremy were my handlers.  We canvassed Saturdays and Sundays and they got me into the office for phoning at least one night a week.

The day of the Primary was my day at the polls from 5:30 AM until the votes were counted at 10 PM or so.

I busted my hump and I'm proud of me and my co-volunteers like masslib because we won New Hampshire.  Yes We Did.

But it didn't stop for those of us who had the bug.  I phoned Vermont, Maine and countless other states from the comfort of home and I went on my first out of state trip to the Rhode Island Primary where I met the now famous Sheri Tag.  We canvassed for a Sunday and we won Rhode Island too.

Then my wife almost left me when I took my first vacation in years and got my butt to Scranton, PA for the 5 days leading up to the Penn. Primary.  Yeah we won that too and damned I met some nice people.  TeresaInPA, UlsterDem and many others.  I lost count of the doors I knocked on that week but we got out the vote for Hillary.

I'm not bragging.  Well maybe a little, but I am not retired and my job takes most of my waking hours.  The others are spent wasting more time writing things like this online.  Virtually every night for the last year I have written a letter to the editor, story, diary, post or comments in support of Hillary Clinton.

Because I had seen what apathy almost did in New Hampshire.

We were sitting at the first statewide meeting of Clinton Supporters.  May or June, I can't remember.  Me a couple of staffers and 3 or 4 other volunteers.  I forget the conversation but one of the women volunteers said "well Hillary's going to win anyway".  I went ballistic
before the experienced staff could.  I said as clearly as I could that the "enevitability" the media was pushing is Hillary's worst enemy. 

Nothing is a given and we volunteers need to know that and impress upon voters that every vote counts.  I saw that woman exactly once again between that meeting and election day.  We both live in the same small town and yet I never saw her at the phone bank.  I do know she wrote a few letters to the editor.

Yes, just as many men are guilty as women but damn it this was your opportunity and women let it slip away.  Read my dKos primary day post for an idea of when I started to become nervous. 

All day long people noticed that women were walking by and giving us Hillary sign holders the thunbs up.  But they were doing it behind their husband's back.  They would look our way and give a wink and a little thumbs up down by their waist.  Volunteers saw this all over the state.  Those were the women who beat the polsters that day.  The invisible women.  The un-polled.

We were fighting the rock the vote campaign that David Axelrove took to it's first low at the New Hampshire Democratic Party 100 Club Dinner the weekend before the primary.  The polls had Obama ahead but we actually won because those women listened to Hillary and came out in force that day.

So where am I going already?  First let me put my athletic cup on.

I've been a part of 4 online support groups and Yahoo groups for Hillary supporters.  Many, many of the women in those groups worked their butts off writing for Hillary.  A couple have their own blogs and my favorite lady blogger also made a shitload more phone calls than I ever did.

But most of the women sat on the sidelines of our groups.  They'd converse extensively within the group and once in awhile post a comment or three in someone elses diary.  I assume they hit the phones too.  But they rarely if ever wrote a diary, blog post of their own.  They didn't put their stamp on a statement of support.  They were buddies and backed up the rest of us, gave us support and comfort when the bots attacked.  But I realized they were holding back.  They weren't going all in for Hillary.

Then June came and all hell broke loose.

I think and I might be off base, but I think women were truly in shock.  How could this happen?  How could the Inevitable Hillary be forced to give up?

They were in shock and then they got pissed.  They started PUMA, they made plans for Denver.  They started calling supers and writing letters to Howard Dean.  They started thousands of new websites and blogs dedicated to bringing Hillary back from her loss. 
They started doing everything they should have done six months earlier, not when it's too late.

I'm sorry ladies and I may regret this but damn it all, I want that woman to be President in 2012.  If it means saying it like I see it then that's what I have to do.  Please Please Please learn from this campaign.  Don't be apathetic next time.  Don't believe the polls and don't believe the media. 

If you have a candidate you believe in, jump in with both feet and don't look back.  Win or lose you'll know you did your best.

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I'm going to buy me a partizane.  Tongue out

"Right wing sledge hammers never, ever help us."  Pacific John

I'd leave a comment but periodically that apathetic second X of mine kicks in.

...woman!  Cool

"Right wing sledge hammers never, ever help us."  Pacific John

atcha!

I'm ashamed to say the bulk of my efforts were directed at getting out the Democratic vote...for whomever.  I had this naive idea that democracy would prevail here in Iowa. 

I'm awestruck at the amount of effort you expended on behalf of the right candidate.  I bounced from Kuchinch to Richardson and then to Edwards, with a brief flirtation with Dodd along the way.  That I did not support Hillary from the get-go is probably a reflection of that "inevitable aura.  I've always been a sucker for the underdog.

Once the Iowa caucuses were over and the coming trainwreck was evident there didn't seem to be much I could do.  I'm embarrassed to say it never occurred to me to work another state.

I'll know better the next time.  Your example will stay with me.

GONE FISHING

...Hail Hillaries, drop a coin in the retire-the-debt box, promise not to vote for BO and you're absolved. 

"Right wing sledge hammers never, ever help us."  Pacific John

Already done, except for the three Hail Hillarys. 

If only I had realized how this would play out.  Hubby had it figured.  He's been a Clinton man for years, despite the "R" after his name on the voter registration list.

But no...I had to go looking for someone with a little more flash. 

My only defense is that I did not succumb to the kool-aid.

NH, women may have failed the last time.  We will not fail again.

GONE FISHING

Right now my efforts are being what I've always hated.  I'm taking the anti-side and doing everything to stop Obama.  It's not as thrilling but I tell you having Palin on the ballot makes it more fun.

She's a gutsy woman and Lou Dobbs just said that from what he saw of the ABC interview, Joe Biden better start cracking his text books.

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Gibson did his best to pose foreign policy "gotcha" questions to prove she is "unqualified."  I'd say the good governor was ready for him and then some with her steely-eyed responses.

They'll be blasting her with the same criticisms Hill used to get.  "Oh, she's just trying to sound extra tough so she'll be taken seriously."  Uh, she is tough - she doesn't need to play tough.

"Right wing sledge hammers never, ever help us."  Pacific John

Because she didn't know what the Bush Doctrine was, so for my money, for the few questions we've seen so far, she gets a C. She's obviously been prepping on foreign policy for the past two weeks, but she missed some of the cliff notes.

The lady's tough and she works.  She'll get up to speed quickly.

Remember what the voters in Arkansas said when asked why they returned Clinton to office after throwing him out once..."He learns."

GONE FISHING

He supports O but says her experience is good.

http://www.swamppolitics.com/news/politics/blog/2008/09/palin_experience_defended_by_i.html

by Rick Pearson

Illinois' Democratic Gov. Rod Blagojevich admits he can't field
dress a moose and his hunting targets tend to be more along the lines
of state legislators in his own party who don't trust him.

But Blagojevich, who supports favorite son U.S. Sen. Barack Obama
for president, today criticized Democrats for belittling the experience
of Republican U.S. Sen. John McCain's running mate, Alaska Gov. Sarah
Palin, and took a jab at the work of legislators who run for executive
positions.

Blagojevich, who has acknowledged in the past voting for Ronald
Reagan for president, appeared on WGN-AM's Spike O'Dell show in Chicago
this morning where he said he was a committed Obama supporter and
predicted the Illinois senator would do "great things for America.

But Blagojevich, who said he spent two summers after high school
working on the Alaska pipeline, readily defended the executive
experience that governors have in contrast to legislators when it comes
to being presidential material.

"I would hope the Democrats wouldn't say that about a governor,"
Blagojevich, a former state legislator and congressman, told O'Dell of
criticism that the first-term Palin lacks experience.

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You just didn't like the answer.

"Right wing sledge hammers never, ever help us."  Pacific John

She first tried to ask Charlie what HE thought the Bush Doctrine meant and then she went off on how Bushes policies had been good. She didn't have a freakin' clue what the Bush Doctrine was and Gibson has to explain it to her in the end.

He was demanding a yes or no answer.  She wouldn't give him one.  He didn't like it, neither do you.  She's gonna do it on her own terms, and not get backed into a sound-byte corner.  Brilliant woman, she put ol' Charlie on the defensive.

"Right wing sledge hammers never, ever help us."  Pacific John

I'd like to apologize for the autoplaying video. I swear I just went to youtube, copied the embed code, and pasted it into the comment here. Apparently that doesn't necessarily work too well. Again, I'm sorry for any inconvenience.

not your fault I think.  it may have been a bad youtube.

sorry I wasn't around last night to fix it

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All of the females in my family were Clinton supporters. I personally made calls, blogged, made financial contributions (was even going to donate my "surge" check, but she had ended her campaign), purchased yard signs, t-shirts and buttons for me and my daughter. When daughter went to vote, she said that there were so many Obama supporters there waving signs, blocking the doors and yelling, that she had to literally fight her way in to vote. She was giving a piece of plain white paper torn off of a pad and told just to write down who she was voting for. No one asked for any sort of ID or had her signin. She said she could have voted as often as she wanted to, but just wanted to get away from the screaming Obama supporters. I also read that in some states that Obama "won", busloads of African-Americans came to the voting areas just before closing and signed in (scribbles that were unreadable) and commenced to vote. The persons in charge were shocked and confused, as they knew that the African-American population in that area was very small. This was evidently not a one-time occurance. There were reports online a few months ago about suits that Clinton supporters had filed against the Obama campaign in some states for voter fraud. Seems like they were "put on hold" by the powers that be, and nothing has come of them. If you want to blame women for Hillary's treatment, don't blame the majority of women. Put the blame on Nancy P. and Donna B., but please don't forget Howard Dean and the rest of Obama's handlers.

I meant it to insult.  Not the ones who worked their butts off nor the men who did likewise.

I could name them but won't since what I'm trying to do is get ready for Hillary 2012.  I'm hoping that people no longer sit on their asses and watch the contest.  If 2000 taught us that every vote does count, then this year taught us that speaking out early and often counts.

If you see sexism call it out.  If you see racism call it out.  Don't ever wait for somebody else to do it for you.

and thanks for dropping in, I do hope you'll give me further reads and the benefit of the doubt.  nh

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Actually, the Clinton supporters I know worked their asses off during the whole primary season. They out ground gamed us Obama folks in New Hampshire by bringing in more experienced people and importing herds of women from New York. I think Hillary supporters should be proud that they did everything they could. In the final analysis there just weren't quite enough of them.

The ground game yes.  But I'm really talking and maybe not clearly, about the online blogosphere efforts.  I'm talking about the PUMAs whom I love but wonder there they were before June.

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Ask any woman with a husband, and some kids what time she gets off work? Ask her if she can take a vacation like you did, NH, to go to another state to work for a candidate---with a husband and kids still at home. There's car pooling, and laundry, and meals to be made. Homework, hockey games, doctor appointments. Many a working Mom would love to have the luxury of being on the blogs and writing at night. But there's always that second shift we come home to, and the damn thing---we don't even get overtime.

I'm speaking here about the current, highly visible women.  The pro-Hillary blogs are now mostly the home of women.  The PUMAs are women.  The blog talkers are mostly women.

They have found the time since June 3. 

I hope this doesn't become a NH thinks poorly of women thread which avoids the issue I'm raising and is counter productive.

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There are very few on the PUMA side with whom I've not been aquainted in other forums. I guess I still don't get the point. It sounds like you're saying they didn't work hard enough. I'm not sure it's a matter of working harder as much as working smarter and having more bodies.

Anyway, I'm out of my element in second guessing the Clinton campaign. You folks know best. I just think that most Clinton supporters have nothing to be guilty over.

I only realized in mid-January, just after Iowa caucuses, that Hillary was my candidate. It only dawned on me then, that having a woman president, and conditioning the world to see women in more roles than they are currently limited to, would be a MAJOR positive in my life. And it only dawned on me soon after, that I didn't just want any woman, but Hillary to be the first woman president. Also, it wasn't until I spent great mental effort shoving Bill to the side (and I love Bill) so I could evaluate candidate Hillary in her own right, that I saw her potential. Once I could stop visualizing this great woman as just some guy's housewife, once I separated the two, I realized how awesome she would be.

I didn't do as much as Hamp or Alegre, but I did some and will do some between now and 2012. I plan to persuade women (and men) to do the two things I did: a) evaluate candidate Hillary in her own right, apart from Bill, and b) talk about women's rights around the world, and highlight how everybody -- men, women, Hampsters and Skunks -- will benefit when women's rights improve, when a human rights champion Hillary is in the White House. To prepare for this endeavor, I read Hillary's memoir and am in the middle of Carl Bernstein's biography.

But most men, even men with daughters, and lots of women -- like my sister-in-law and my mother, both educated liberals -- fail to see why we should want to have a woman president. We have to change their mindset, but like Harriet Tubman said, she would have freed more slaves if those slaves wanted to be free.

We don't all function as a group. It's taken this long for us to even have a discussion about one of us being President. We've been kinda busy ( NH---Are you listening?) First, there's childbearing, and then there's eldercaring. Look at the statistics---Guess who does all this? Women? Kudos to Alegre---I don't know how she manages. Frankly, I think the premise that women bloggers are more involved now (after Hillary's loss) is a false one. Every pro-Hillary blogger I'm reading now has been actively writing since I first began in October, 2007. Hampster----I think you're just trying to cause trouble. Or in your own sneaky way trying to get us to write more for your blog. Cal, hand me my partizane!

it's the new Partizane format: "controversial and confrontative." Cheap ratings ploy. It worked for Jerry Springer. Laughing

but I also do snark.

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...working.  Just as long as he doesn't venture into "babydaddy" ratings territory, I think he'll be fine.  Laughing

"Right wing sledge hammers never, ever help us."  Pacific John

lost me with that one

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...here ya go, izzy.  One fresh partizane with your monogram on it.  Innocent

"Right wing sledge hammers never, ever help us."  Pacific John

Armor

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in the minds of my liberal Obama-voting friends, in the mind of my Republican cousin and Republican aunt, the mind of my brother, to at least start thinking about Hillary as a person, not the villian the media makes her out to be, and at least start thinking about a woman in the White House.

I converted my father from somebody who referred to Hillary as a "spoiled little girl" (he denies this) to somebody who still likes Obama but wants to see Hillary as president some day. This took a lot of harrassment over the period of four months.

I also traveled to Oregon and phone banked there. I wore my tightest Hillary t-shirt and flirted with men and told them real men vote Hillary. Heck I was desperate - did that set women back? I don't know - time was running out and I was willing to try anything. We did some visibility and it made a little bit of difference, not a lot.

I have 2 of them.  You have no idea how many people tried to buy it and a few women tried to steal it.

This guy knows that with a woman President there will be far fewer wars.  Having worked for my share of women I also know that there will be much less wasted time in the West Wing.  People will be focused or they will be gone.  Guys with ADD may have a hard time but she will also be more tolerant of the disabled.  And perhaps most important, I think that based on what I know of women, a persons looks or pedigree will caryy much less weight than that person's skill.

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This campaign has been a wake-up call.  If for no other reason it's been a success.

GONE FISHING

I look at the whole world differently. And honestly, I see sexism freakin everywhere since January! Who knew it was there the whole time!?!?

They'll be 2012's "young voters."

That's a terrifying prospect!

I have a twelve-year-old granddaughter.  I'll start working on her.  This ought to be fun.  Her parents are rabid Republicans.

GONE FISHING

You don't want to get those visitation privileges revoked.  Maybe you can use subliminal messaging. 

"Right wing sledge hammers never, ever help us."  Pacific John

"Right wing sledge hammers never, ever help us."  Pacific John

Check out the RCP Electoral Map:

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/maps/obama_vs_mccain/

What happened, Barack?  Laughing

"Right wing sledge hammers never, ever help us."  Pacific John

Electoral map is showing Obama by nine points in Iowa. 

Geez, it's hard enough to think of voting for McCain.  Do I have to work for him, too?

GONE FISHING

It's yesterday's.

Opens Partizane, hoping for a fresh thread.

It's yesterday's.

Both are still better than fresh stuff anywhere else.

GONE FISHING

New thread in 10 minutes or less.

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The legions of women who worked for Hillary worked. So in that sense we can't blame it on the women.

Howeve

I couldn't believe the hostility of so very many of my longtime liberal friends who turned up their noses at Hillary and became slightly deranged over Obama. These women are not conservative women by any stretch of the imagination and they have always appeared tosupport women's issues.

My two daughters voted for Hillary. The oldest is in the entertainment industry in LA and said she was the only person she knew who was for her. The youngest voted for her but she was almost lured by the utopian theme of the O campaign. She went to Hillary's college and had seen she and Albright a few times on campus. She voted for her connections around the world...but she really was lured by the excitement and euphoria.

She is horrified that I can't support O this time around. We don't talk politics now.

So, I was very disappointed in my "intellectual" and yes...arugula Dems who abandoned the qualified woman and went for the excitement.

What were the final percentages of women voting Hillary overall? It never reached 60% did it? In that sense, Demwomen didn't come through for her like they could have (and like they should have, imho.) Some almost seemed brainwashed.

 

 

is exactly the word to use.  Other than my husband, my entire Dem family and group of friends were all anti-Hillary.  When I would ask them why, I always got the same answer:  I can't stand that woman!  If I dared to question further, they couldn't come up with an answer.  And if they could come up with an answer, it was always one of the talking points the msm has been using since the Clintons arrived on the scene.  Talk about being bamboozled!  

They worked their magic on dems for 15 years so they could get rid of the only candidate who could beat them.

 

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She lost the primary. Someone always does.