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University of California- Irvine & Its Coddled Anti-Semitism


BJinAmerica - Posted on 16 February 2010

Those of you that know me know that I like to troll the Internet. (I do it, because our news media has abdicated its role as the nation's gatekeeper.)  Anyway, I was trolling when I came across a story that led me to a video on You Tube that is introduced like this at that site:

 

 

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The Israeli ambassador Michael Oren gets booed off stage by students of the University of California. Booed off stage just like he deserves to be.

The video is of a February 8th presentation by Israeli Ambassador Michael Oren at the University of California-Irvine. It was sponsored by the Middle East Studies Student Initiative. If you go to the You Tube site to view the video, you will find other videos dealing with the same subject and more than a few comments full of hatred and vitriol that most Americans would find offensive.

 Pertinent UC-I Background

In case you are not aware of it, the University of California-Irvine campus has what some call an annual May "hate-fest" against Israel and the Jewish people. In spite of outreach and tolerance projects, some members of the resident Muslim student population are joined by outside agitators and together they repeatedly threaten and assault Jewish students. For some unknown reason, the administrators at this campus can’t seem to get a handle on the problem. I’m not a Jew or a Muslim, but I am an American and I have trouble understanding how California is able to maintain sanctuary cities for its illegal Latino residents, but California, the City of Irvine, and the University of California can’t seem to offer any sanctuary for American or foreign born Jews.

At another You Tube post called "Why UC Irvine? Students Speak Out", a student with the moniker bluewavesofquestions made a post about the university that also gave me pause:

bluewavesofquestions: Great location, some great professors, and some very disturbing, radical Islamists with a history of disrupting invited guests. It pains me to recommend that Jewish Americans think twice before enrolling....

 

What Happened to Ambassador Oren?

In Oren’s presentation to about 500 people at UC-I, the Ambassador was interrupted repeatedly by hostile outbursts and raised fists from Muslim students. Although officials asked them to respect the Ambassador’s right to free speech, their requests were ignored. The whole episode seemed orchestrated. A published account gives this version of what happened at the university:

“Less than two minutes into Ambassador Oren’s address, protesters began to stand up and shout anti-Israel slogans and expletives. The Ambassador continued to speak, but was interrupted time and again by protesters, whose aggressive outbursts escalated. In the face of this unconscionable display of disrespect, Oren left the stage.

 

UCI Chancellor Michael Drake and Professor Mark Petracca (Chair of UCI’s Department of Political Science) admonished the protesters for embarrassing themselves and the University. Though Drake and Petracca implored them to respect the Ambassador’s right to free speech, these requests were ignored. When Oren returned to the lectern some 20 minutes later, asking for a show of hospitality (typical of Middle Eastern culture) he was again interrupted by protesters, who eventually stood up, left the room as a group and continued their noisy demonstration outside the UCI Student Center. Oren told the remaining audience that he wished they had stayed, to hear what he had to say.”

 

 In my research, I learned that eleven protestors were arrested, including the president of the Muslim Student Union (MSU) and a union board member. All were taken into custody for disturbing the peace. Supposedly, all face disciplinary action. The MSU is a chapter of the Muslim Student Association, which was itself founded by members of the Muslim Brotherhood. The Brotherhood seeks the extinction of Israel. The photo on the left appeared in a California paper, the female audience member stood up and took a photo of a demonstrating student who was walked out by police. Notice that although her back is turned to the projection of Ambassador Oren, he is engaged in his presentation.

 

 

Case in Point

Some people like Oren and some don’t, which frankly is beside the point. Whether you like or dislike him should not affect his right to free speech in this country. If Iran’s Mahmud Ahmadinejad, Libya’s Mohmar Quaddaffi, and Venezuela’s Hugo Chavez (all men with certifiable human rights violations and anti-democratic leanings) can come to this country and give speeches without interruption, Ambassador Michael Oren, a scholar and author with issues of his own, should be allowed the same courtesy without incident. Fortunately, unlike those who sought to silence him, there is a group of moderate Muslim students on the UC-I campus who believe Oren has a right to be heard.

More specifically to the point, Israel Ambassador Michael Oren was silenced at the UC-I campus, because he is a Jew. This is a case of racism gone amuck, sanctioned by university officials who seem to have lost their moral compass. Roger Simon at Pajama Media clearly understands what is happening at UC-I and nails it squarely on the head. He wrote:

“The University of California- Irvine has a severe free speech problem and has had one for a long time. Part of this stems from the school’s history of what is politely called multi-culturalism – actually a euphemism for cultural relativism, a bankrupt pseudo-philosophy that provides a phony intellectual veneer to totalitarian behavior. Another part is good, old-fashioned anti-Semitism, which seems to be cropping up everywhere these days. A third part is even more old-fashioned cowardice, working in tandem with the other two.

 

School officials say they were embarrassed. They should be a lot more than that. They should rectify this situation immediately and in a serious way, because this is a serious case of racism. The reputation of the whole University of California system is at risk here in an era when taxpayers are in a justifiably rebellious mood. Given what’s happened, outside the sciences, it’s hard to regard Irvine as a legitimate educational institution. Why would any of us pay for what is happening there? The California Board of Regents and the administration of UCI should think about that.”

Since the arrest of the demonstrators, various organizations under the guidance of CAIR (Council on American-Islamic Relations) and the National Lawyers Guild have stepped forward to defend them. ActLeft and other left-leaning organizations have also started an email campaign to force university officials to cease any actions against the demonstrating students. But Scott at Powerline blog has written a decidedly different view:

“ …The actions of the MSU supporters who disrupted Oren's speech were obviously intended to silence Oren. The ActLeft message cloaks the MSU supporters in the garb of "civil disobedience," but the actions of the MSU are both hateful and tyrannical. The actions are based on the proposition that the defense of Israel in speech is beyond the bounds of civilized discourse just as the defense of Israel in deed is illegitimate because Israel is illegitimate...”

 

Another Reaction

The New Republic’s Jonathan Chait wrote an interesting introduction to a video of the UC-I event. It might offend some people at Partizane, but TNR is considered a liberal magazine with a centrist to center-left stance. It’s a thought-provoking intro and I’m including it here, because the tactics used by the left that Chait criticizes are also used by the right:

"One of my fond memories from being an undergraduate in the early 1990s was the fervent conviction of the campus left that their opponents were not entitled to express their beliefs. Some of the more erudite among them, like Catherine MacKinnon, would formulate elaborate theories explaining why freedom of speech was a pernicious myth. But mostly the opinion took the form of slogans. Racism is not free speech. Sexism is not free speech. And since anybody to the right of, oh, Ralph Nader was a racist and a sexist, then that meant that nobody outside of the left-wing ought to be permitted to express themselves.

The principle, if you can call it that, was on display at Israeli Ambassador Michael Oren's speech at the University of California-Irvine. I'm not a big Michael Oren fan, but this display of protesters disrupting his remarks is rather telling."

 

The Video

(Try to notice the reactions of the blonde school official in the pants suit, standing to the left.)

 

 

 

 

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Thanks for the trolling

I hadn't heard about this but will go read lots before I comment.

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 How do YOU think this incident should have been handled?  And regarding the Blonde in the pantsuit:  Do you know who she is?  Do you know what her job is at the university?  Why do you single HER out?  Why do you assume that it is within her power to do anything about this incident?  I see nothing in this video that would indicate that UCI "coddles" anti-semitism.  Would you have preferred cops bashing heads of these students?  These students were escorted out peacefully: so how should it have been handled?  Would you have preferred profiling Palestinian students, or students who physically appeared to be Muslim and NOT allowed them into this event?  Please tell us how this should have been handled.

As I said above, I wanted to read up and view the video before judging.  Watching the video, I feel the administration and the faculty acted properly.  Some students were obviously there with a plan to cause trouble them leave peacefully.

I really have no idea how they could have handled it better.

Plus my son-in-law is an alumni of UCI and he's a nice guy.

 

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Yes, they handled it properly. It's what happens to those students next that I'm interested in. At the very least, their names should be taken down and added to a list of those who should not be allowed to attend future events. They really should be expelled.

 There IS a difference between freedom of speech and organized disturbance of the peace:

Disturbance of the Peace:

An offense constituting a malicious and willful intrusion upon the peace and quiet of a community or neighborhood.

The crime is usually committed by an offensive or tumultuous act, such as the making of loud or unusual noises, or quarreling in public.

Seems to me this should be applied to what we witnessed in that video.  And if not expulsion, certainly a suspension would be in order.

for making people here clarify and understand the event. 

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I simply asked readers to note her reaction, nothing more.

 

 

 

big state and given the condition of journalism in this country you may or may not be aware of what goes on in your enormous  backyard. UC-I has been hosting its Hate Week for some years now, and the event has fostered a destructive climate on campus. The Oren event is just one example of what goes on there. I have included here some information on the topic that I hope you might find interesting. One of my favorites is the essay by Judea Pearl for the SPME site.

You ask me: "How do YOU think this incident should have been handled?" I personally do not believe it benefits our country to be tolerant of the intolerant. In this case, it's my view that a tolerance of intolerance mindset should never set the tone for a college or university campus. The students silenced Oren. Their actions were not an exercise of free speech, but actions of hatred and intolerance. (May I dare say racism?) It was there reason for being there. Since they were successful, I wonder who their next target will be.

I believe tolerance of intolerance identifies what is happening at the UC-I campus. I also believe the administration did not handle this incident correctly, because it is a university and the students actions prevented him from speaking. He should have been moved to another venue, and the offending students should have been barred from attendance.

You, Izzie, do not agree with me, and so we will just have to realize we look at the world differently. Anyway, I do hope you find the material below interesting reading.

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1.) This first reading is a UC-I Jewish Student's view of what she experiences at UC-Irvine. It is part of a 2009 report by the Orange Country Independent Task Force on Anti-Semitism

http://octaskforce.wordpress.com/2009/05/22/another-jewish-student-speaks-out-hatred-protected-at-uci/

Another Jewish Student Speaks out: Hatred Protected at UCI

2.) If you go to YouTube you will find the comments on the following UC-I Hate Week video interesting:

 

 

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3.) The Little Green Footbal site also covered Hate Week as far back as 2006, so it is an event that has some history. http://littlegreenfootballs.com/article/20657_MSU_Hate_Week_at_UCI_A_Report

MSU Hate Week at UCI, A Report

Fri, May 19, 2006 at 6:00:18 pm PDT

LGF reader Mardukhai emailed this report from the Muslim Student Union hatefest at the University of California Irvine:

What was it like at UCI last night?

How about Nuremburg redux.

Virtually the entire crowd, which I estimated at roughly 200, consisted of Islamists, most dressed entirely in stormtrooper black.

A few campus police stood at the back of the room, but there were very few kufar to protect, perhaps a dozen or so. Several of the stormtroopers constantly peered across the audience, their faces in a perpetual paranoid sneer.

For two hours, Malik Ali spouted paranoid nonsense about a Jewish Zionist plot to destroy Sudan, etc., etc., matching a plot by George Bush to hold off economic collapse by spreading civil wars in the muslim world.

And of course, all the Jews would have to go back to Russia, Germany, wherever they came from.? And the only solution for America is a caliphate under the rule of the Compact of Omar.

Hatred and a confident, arrogant desire to kill and subjugate the kufar gleamed from every eye. Every few minutes, as the guest made an impressive statement, e.g. “ a cheerleader would shout ”TAKBEEEEEER“ — to which the crowd would reply, screaming from the gut, in unison, ”ALLAHU AKHBAR!“

This was not a cheer. This was a practiced, disciplined, war chant fueled by adrenaline and hatred: “Sieg!” then “Heil!” only angrier, much angrier.

At that moment, I became convinced that a shooting war is coming, here in America. The MSU is an enemy army, allowed into our house by current immigration law, and by admissions policies that favor foreigners over Americans.

This is not Saudis sneaking into the country to fly airplanes into buildings, but people who speak like us, able to pass as us, and filled with a Mephistophelian desire to create havoc.

They will do it. They are confident, and given time, they just might win - unless they are stopped.

If this seems impossibly over the top, it’s not.

At StandWithUs.com, here’s a video of yesterday’s event, featuring Amir Abdel Malik Ali in a vile speech that you’ll have to see to believe: Incitement on Campus: UC Irvine Video.

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4.) Front Page Magazine really stuck it to UC-I for its tolerance of hate and intolerance in 2008 (http://97.74.65.51/readArticle.aspx?ARTID=30869 )

The MSU's Hate Week By: Reut R. Cohen and Jonathan Constantine Movroydis
FrontPageMagazine.com | Tuesday, May 13, 2008
 

It is a well-chronicled fact that modern academia is no friend of Israel. Even in this generally hostile environment, however, the University of California at Irvine stands in a class of its own. 

Witness the school’s tradition of allowing the campus chapter of Muslim Student Union (MSU) to hold events whose sole aim is to denounce Israel and America, while supporting Islamic terrorist groups. Past events hosted in this mold have been titled “Hamas: the People’s Choice” and “Israel: The 4th Reich,” and have featured far-left demagogues like professors Norman Finkelstein and Ward Churchill, as well as Amir-Abdel Malik-Ali, a black imam notorious for his anti-Semitic conspiracy theories and his open championing of Hamas and Hezbollah.

 This year is no exception. From May 7 to May 15, the MSU will host a series of programs that will demonize Israel as a Nazi state. Titled “Never Again? The Palestinian Holocaust,” this year’s hate-fest will include speakers like Imam Amir Abdel Malik Ali and Norman Finkelstein. If past experience is any guide, this year’s event will be give Israel’s enemies much to cheer about.

 A review of the scheduled speakers bears out this impression. Among them, for instance, is Amir Abdel Malik Ali. A regular speaker at UCI, he has in the past informed Muslim students that a martyr’s death is the most honorable death. In May of 2007, to chants of “Allah Akbar!” from the Muslim Student Union, he shouted: “[W]e will not stop until we are either victorious or until we are martyred!” Not surprisingly, Ali will be delivering the keynote address at this year’s event. 

The Muslim Student Union also will be hosting Norman Finkelstein, the DePaul University professor who was denied tenure for “furnishing deliberately hurtful” scholarship in June 2007. DePaul University President Rev. Dennis Holtschneider maintained that not only did Finkelstein engage in inflammatory ad hominem attacks against fellow scholars, but he neglected his perfunctory academic duties by investing more time in his dogmatic advocacy – not least his attacks on Israel – than on responsible scholarship.

 For example, in his 2000 book The Holocaust Industry, Finkelstein claims that “Jewish elites” have exploited this genocidal tragedy for political and economic gain. Among other charming allegations, Finkelstein derides Holocaust survivor and humanitarian Elie Wiesel as a “resident clown” and a shake-down artist who invokes phony tales of atrocity to serve the strategic interests of the United States and Israel....

Another speaker worthy of note is Muhammed Al-Asi, a radical cleric banned from the Islamic Center in Washington D.C. in 1983 by his Saudi dominated board of directors for advancing a radical, pro-Iranian agenda. Al-Asi too has praised suicide bombers and is a Holocaust denier to boot. According to the Washington Post, the U.S. government has taken close surveillance of Al-Asi through court-approved wiretaps as he has traveled to Iran to meet with high-ranking hardline clerics. 

Al-Asi also never hesitates to express his condemnation of Israel and Jews. In a speech earlier this year to students at UC Irvine, he derided Israel’s security barriers as analogous to Jews locking themselves in their man-made ghettos. In a curious attempt at dodging charges of anti-Semitism, he expressed his disdain for what he describes as the “political Jew,” comparing American Jews in government to rats hiding away from light.... 

The MSU has madeits position regarding Israel and America abundantly clear. And it is not only the group’s events that betray its pro-terror prejudices: MSU members literally wear their hate on their sleeve. Thus, MSU members wear clothing bearing slogans like “Freedom Fighter,” a clear reference to the terrorists’ preferred designation. Following the fashion of suicide bombers, they sport green stole emblazoned with the Arabic word “shahada,” a declaration of Islamic faith that some have interpreted as a extolling the virtues of dying a martyr’s (read: terrorist’s) death. In the past, the MSU also has voiced support for terrorist groups like Hamas and Hezbollah.

 Although the MSU defends its events on the ground of “free speech,” the group has shown itself to be intolerant of debate and criticism. Following MSU gatherings at which imams predict the destruction of the “Zionist Jews,” many students at UCI have been confronted with spray-painted swastikas, hate-mail, strange phone calls, jeering and cursing. In some cases, students have even been kicked out of public events for videotaping or have had cameras shoved in their faces....

 Seemingly a harmless religious club, the MSA is in fact nothing of the kind. Under the mask of multicultural solidarity, it promotes a despicable ideology – radical Islam – that is a clear and present danger to the security of the country. Worse, it receives student funding to do so. The sooner Americans realize that, the sooner they will understand that the MSU does not promote religious harmony. It provides political aid and comfort to the enemy.

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 5.) Finally, Judea Pearl's thoughts on the matter from the Scholars for Peace in the Middle East site: http://spme.net/cgi-bin/articles.cgi?ID=5543 

Universities, like religions, are often judged not by what they preach but by what they tolerate.

This painful truth came to mind upon reading Neelie Genya Milstein’s op-ed article in these pages, “Protecting Hate at UC Irvine” (May 22, 2009), in which she describes the atmosphere at the University of California at Irvine (UCI), where the Muslim Students Union (MSU) celebrated a week-long lynching of Jewish identity under the banner “Israel: The Politics of Genocide.”

“At UCI,” Milstein wrote, “hate is a yearly event that lasts for a week. It isn’t just any hatred. It is hatred directed at me, my friends, my community and my history.”

“You are a Jew; a proud Jew, a proud supporter of Israel. Now you are seen as nothing but a racist murderer on your own campus,” she wrote.

Milstein is not alone. Her frustration is shared by many students and faculty at Irvine. What is happening at UCI is part of a coordinated assault on Jewish identity at campuses across the nation, an assault that threatens to erode the dignity, values and peoplehood of all Jewish students in the generation to come. We must understand its anatomy, for universities hold the key to our future.

UCI has long been a proving ground for orchestrated Israel defamation. The combination of a large and highly motivated Muslim student organization, an affluent and supportive Muslim community, a non-confrontational university administration and a divided (what’s new?) Jewish leadership has turned the UCI campus into a veritable petri dish to test the limits of hate, bigotry and intimidation. Pro-Israel students, with the help of organizations like Hillel, StandWithUs and others, have mobilized to reach out to the MSU, but have been unable to temper the rising intensity of their assault. (See Brad Greenberg’s “Quiet War on Campus: Israel Remains Under Attack Despite Fewer Public Protests,” Jewish Journal, Aug. 22, 2008.)

Many Orwellian hyperboles were first tested at UCI, among them: “Genocide in Jenin,” “Zionism is Cancer,” “The World without Israel,” “Ethnic Cleansing in Palestine,” “Holocaust in the Holy Land,” “Israel: The Fourth Reich.” This year, the masters of absurdity upped the ante with mental deformities such as: “Allah is a terrorist” “The Zionist-Jew is a party of Satan,” along with images of Anne Frank in a Palestinian kaffiyeh, blood-drenched Israeli flags and heroic Hamas fighters advancing the cause of peace - all in the prime location on campus, near the flagpoles and the administration building, giving the hate fest the appearance of a university-sponsored event.

Naturally, despite their tireless and honest efforts, university administrators have been powerless to prevent UCI from becoming a national focus of anxieties and expectations. Indeed, on the day the official UCI marquee at the entrance to campus displayed the “Israel-Genocide” sign, I received messages from colleagues as far away as Indiana asking whether California Education Code allows such use of the University of California name. “What next for us?” they asked.

On the other side of the fault line, anti-Israel propagandists have been watching UCI performances thirsting for new ideas and new opportunities for upcoming hate fests on other campuses. I wonder, for example, whether Susan Slyomovics, the director of UCLA Center for Near Eastern Studies, would have mustered the imagination to choreograph her famous Gaza Symposium last Jan. 22 had she not been emboldened by Irvine’s 2005 workshop “A World Without Israel.” For readers who missed Slyomovics’ show, it was described by a foreign diplomat (not Israeli) in the audience as “the dirtiest Israel-bashing and indeed full-fledged anti-Semitic hate fest I have experienced in my two and a half years in this city” (see my column “Dust Over Campus Life: UCLA at a Crossroad,” Feb. 20, 2009).

Likewise, I would speculate that UCLA Chancellor Gene Block is keenly tuned to the happenings at UCI, for he is facing a similar dilemma: How long can a university refrain from confronting obsessive Israel bashers/deniers - bent on stifling debate and trampling campus norms of civil discourse - and still convince the public that students should feel safe and welcome, and their sensitivities respected?

In 2005, in response to faculty complaints over the hate speeches by MSU’s speaker Malik Ali, UCI Vice Chancellor Manuel Gomez wrote that the administration is “legally prohibited from either proscribing or prescribing the content of speech, as long as speakers conform to campus policies and applicable laws.”

This is no longer the current stance of the university. In a recent letter, UCI Chancellor Michael Drake wrote: “We must reject disrespectful and hateful slurs, particularly those based on race, religion, ethnicity, sexuality or any other fundamental aspect of identity…. We reject anti-Semitism. We reject anti-Islamic rhetoric. We reject de-humanizing stereotypes. We embrace dialogue and mutual understanding.”

Theoretically, this is precisely what Milstein requested: “I am not asking the UCI administration to censor the hate speech. I am asking them to denounce this style of rhetoric and displays just as they would denounce campaigns for white supremacy, sexism, or Islamophobia.”

But there is a catch that lies at the core of the issue, which only a few bold university administrators have thus far dared to address. Does the content of “Israel: The Politics of Genocide” fall within Drake’s categories of what “we reject,” or is it deemed to be a commendable model of academic free speech?

Unfortunately, the declarative “we reject anti-Semitism” does not get us closer to answering this question. Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad and UCI’s MSU have learned to absolve themselves skillfully of charges of anti-Semitism; after all, it is only the “Zionist Jew” who is the Satan, not all Jews. (Imagine Dutch politician Geert Wilders saying: “It is only Sunni Muslims who are morally inferior, not all Muslims.”)

I believe that one of the greatest mistakes Jewish advocacy has made in the past decade has been to argue that anti-Zionism is dangerous because it is a thin cover of anti-Semitism. We should have exposed the immoral character of anti-Zionism in itself and demanded that Israel’s statehood be recognized as a “fundamental aspect of Jewish identity.” As Drake implied in his letter, religion has no monopoly on human sensitivity or group identity.

Drake’s letter does not identify code-breakers, nor does he specify any offenses. It reminds me of the vague anti-terrorism fatwa that American Muslim organizations issued in 2005, a week after the London bombing, which went through a great linguistic effort not to name Bin Laden or Al Qaeda as offenders, and which rendered the fatwa nonbinding. Thus, even if anti-Zionism rhetoric is explicitly recognized as offensive activity at UCI, the MSU will not see itself even remotely involved - naming the offender is essential for reversing the climb in campus temperature.

In 2007, Vice Chancellor Gomez wrote to complaining UCI faculty: “In all honesty, I get dismayed at the fact that even though we have been deeply engaged in creating a safe and dynamic campus community, the attention that continues to be focused on UCI is both distorted and negative.” In fairness to Gomez, the UCI administration has indeed invested a tremendous amount of time, resources and goodwill in efforts to restore civility to the UCI campus. However, the latest MSU carnival proves that there are fundamental limits to what non-confrontational policies can achieve in an academic environment that finds itself attacked by professional, well-funded hate crusaders aiming to test the patience of that environment. The 2009 spectacle made a blatant mockery of everything the administration has labored to develop, including, I worry, the Daniel Pearl Muslim-Jewish Dialogue that UCI hosted in May 2005.

It is time for the university to reassess the way it tolerates the intolerant. Its legal requirement to tolerate that which is wrong does not diminish its moral obligation to point to that which is right.

Judea Pearl is a professor at UCLA and president of the Daniel Pearl Foundation, named after his son. He is a co-editor of “I Am Jewish: Personal Reflections Inspired by the Last Words of Daniel Pearl ” (Jewish Lights, 2004).

 

 

 

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Great post, BJ. I knew about this but didn't feel like saying anything. I hate the scumbags who come here with such hatred in their hearts and the leftist scum who support these assholes. We're fighting a war against Islamic tyranny, oppression, and terrorism while the supporters of same come here to attend our schools. It seems they learn nothing so what's the point in their coming here? The Arabs who live in Israel never had it so good anywhere else on planet Earth. The Palestinians who live in the West Bank are doing very well economically while those in Gaza suffer at the hands of Hamas.

The treatment of Michael Oren at the hands of those students was despicable. Those students should be expelled from the school and if they're here on student visas should be sent back where they came from.

Would you have marched everyone out of that venue and immediately to another?  Or would you have re-scheduled?  And how would that have been handled?  If you've ever scheduled any event on a college campus you must know how difficult it can be to find an empty auditorium or lecture hall.  Suggesting that a new venue be chosen and the students barred from entering is as simplistic an answer as suggesting that my questions to you are a result of where I live.  It is so easy to throw stones, to condemn, to find fault, but I ask you in all seriousness how can the university make this situation better?  To suggest that UCI isn't asking these same very difficult questions is to slur an outstanding university, and I'm sure that wasn't your intent, BJ. 

be brain dead to not know what was going to happen to Ambassador Oren given the history of the Muslim Student Union. Since the administration did not feel the need to confront MSU students early on and inform them of expectations for the  event or tell them that demonstrations would not be allowed in the auditorium but could occur outside the venue, the administration should have had alternatives set up. (The administration on most campuses can move mountains when necessary.) On the other hand, UC-I's administrations inability to do so only underscores its incompetence.

Oh and by the way, Izzie, just for clarification let me make clear that I do not feel that UC-I is an outstanding university. In fact, I do not feel it deserves that impressive title in any way, shape, or form, since it hasn't seen fit to fulfill it's most basic responsibility, i.e., the guarantee of a free and open environment where a marketplace of ideas can flourish. Many faculty and staff members have repeatedly asked for an end to hate week activities to no avail.The fact that UC-I has allowed Jewish students on its campus to have to endure the insult of its annual hate-fest is beyond the pale and particularly insulting to me as an American, as it should be to all Americans. If it were Muslim students that had to endure that hateful environment, I would feel the same way.

I am posting a new AP story on UC-I below that highlights Jewish reaction to Chancellor Drake's inability to condemn anti-Semitic speech on campus and his role in enabling a history of "bigotry, discrimination and the violation of civil rights" by the school's Muslim Student Union.

 

IRVINE, Calif. (AP) - The Zionist Organization of America on Tuesday asked potential students and donors to the University of California,Irvine to look elsewhere after months of growing tension between Jewish and Muslim students.
 
In a statement, the New York-based organization lambasted Chancellor Michael Drake for not condemning anti-Semitic speech on campus and enabling a years-long history of "bigotry, discrimination and the violation of civil rights" by the school's Muslim Student Union.
 
"We're not asking the university to infringe on anyone's free speech rights, but our contention all along is that the chancellor has his own free speech rights, and for whatever reason, he's refusing to exercise them," said Susan Tuchman, director of the ZOA's Center for Law and Justice. "He can come out and condemn the speech as hurtful and anti-Semitic."
 
Drake and the school had no comment on the statement, spokeswoman Cathy Lawhon said.
 
Hadeer Soliman, a spokeswoman for the Muslim Student Union, did not immediately return an e-mail seeking comment.
 
For years, tension has simmered between Jewish and Muslim student groups on the suburban campus about 40 miles southeast of Los Angeles. But emotions reached a fever pitch earlier this month when 11 students were arrested by campus police for repeatedly interrupting a talk by Israeli Ambassador Michael Oren.
 
The Muslim Student Union had issued an e-mail condemning Oren's appearance but said it did not organize the protest.
 
Three of the arrested students were from the neighboring University of California, Riverside campus, and it was unclear if the others were MSU members, Lawhon said.
 
In a Monday editorial in the campus newspaper, Soliman defended the arrested students' right to protest and called Oren the "official representative of a state that engages in war crimes and crimes against humanity."
 
"If the university chooses to selectively enforce its policies in order to punish these students, it is undoubtedly sending a political message and chilling all students' First Amendment rights," she wrote.
 
The Muslim Student Union drew national attention in 2004 when more than two dozen students wore green stoles to their graduation. They said the stoles symbolized their faith, but others said the clothing represented allegiance to the militant group Hamas and was meant to intimidate Jewish students.
 
In 2005, the Zionist Organization of America complained to federal civil rights investigators about alleged anti-Semitic speeches by speakers invited to campus and said the university was discriminating against Jewish students by failing to take action.
 
The investigation concluded in 2007 that while some Muslim student activities could be offensive to Jewish students, the speeches and marches were based on opposition to Israeli policies, not the national origin of Jewish students.
 
ZOA has appealed that finding and another complaint is pending, said Tuchman, head of the ZOA's law center.
Last year, the ZOA also filed a complaint with the university that the Muslim Student Union was conducting fundraising for a group called Viva Palestina at a campus event and alleged that the money was supporting terrorist activities.
 
Lawhon, the school spokeswoman, said UC Irvine is still investigating whether MSU violated school policy by conducting fundraising on campus and has forwarded ZOA's concerns to the FBI.  Laura Eimiller, an FBI spokeswoman, did not return a call for comment.
 
The students arrested earlier this month face disciplinary action that could range from a warning to expulsion, Lawhon said.
 
The Orange County district attorney's office will decide whether to press criminal charges when it receives arrest reports from the university police, said Susan Schroeder, district attorney spokeswoman.
 
The Muslim Public Affairs Council and the Council of American-Islamic Relations have both condemned the arrests.
 
 

 

 

 

I didn't want to jump to conclusions, then I did.    Let's keep this going so we can all learn from your research as well as some of our passions.

As a secular Jew this scares the crap out of me.  As a secular Jew I come back so often to my own anti-semitism and my feelings that Jews by their isolation and our arrogance bring much of this on themselves.  That girl was so impassioned but when she mentioned private school, she lost me.  She is as much a product of that as the Muslims are of the teaching in their Mosques.

I'm am being torn, but only so far.  there is no place for hatred on a campus that should encourage debate, not hate.

As they say.  We are free to disagree but not disagreeably.

 

 

Civil Discourse - ERA - A Mother President - Women's Rights - Primary Reform

you said you were going to ask a friend who attended the school what he knew of hate week.  Did you find anything out?

 

 

Lots of different cultural groups are self-isolating, not just the Jews. Lots of others are arrogant, not just the Jews. IOW, we're human. Being a self-hating anti-Semitic Jew, as many on the Left are, is to deny your own humanity and that's absurd. If some Jews are isolated, insular, maybe it's a normal reaction to the crap around them. If some seem arrogant, how common is it for bright people to be arrogant? Jews bring it on themselves? Really? Isn't that what Hitler said?