Visitors' civil comments encouraged.

Friday Open thread - Updated


NewHampster's picture

NewHampster - Posted on 20 November 2009

Afghan GirlI've been quite absent getting ready for Thanksgiving and the week after.

Pap smears?  Not a subject I'm knowledgeable on, but from past experience I know how important they are.

Afghanistan is the most dangerous place in the world to be born, especially if you're a girl.

I just read The Kite Runner which is a total eye opener about what life was like there before, before the Russians and before the Taliban and before, well before the world ended for that country.

I've added the BBC photo of an Afghan girl to illustrate what is at stake if we leave.  As much as I hate war and guns, as much as I detest those in charge of Afghanistan, I cannot support us leaving this country.  In fact I am strongly in favor of a totally different approach.

Let's plant roots and stay much like we did in Japan, Korea, Germany.  Let's stay and give them the time. possibly generations, to change attitudes and join the modern world.  nh

ABC News

Eight Years Later: 'Most Dangerous Place To Be Born'

ABC’s Nick Schifrin files this sad item from Kabul:

 

In a press conference in Geneva today, the South Asia regional director for UNICEF said this: "Afghanistan today is without a doubt the most dangerous place to be born.”

 

Dan Toole was speaking about UNICEF’s annual report The State of the World’s Children, which is available here(pdf).

 

Toole said Afghanistan has the highest infant mortality rate in the world: 257 deaths for every 1,000 live births. He also said a lack of security prevents polio and measles vaccine campaigns and decreases the number of children attending schools, especially girls. 317 schools have been destroyed by the Taliban in the past year, he said, killing 124 people.

 

Here’s another link(pdf) – to drive the point home. This is the actual list of mortality rates around the world.

 

 

Share/Save
Your rating: None Average: 5 (1 vote)

It's open season...on women.

I told you so!

Sad to say

Civil Discourse - ERA - A Mother President - Women's Rights - Primary Reform

corporatist fundiegelicals to take over the Democratic Party.

Women are slowly starting to wake up. But far too many still are looking for the Democratic Party to save them.

Nagahapin. We have to save ourselves.

So d*mn true.

5

Just a foretaste of ObamaCare. Higher death rates, higher cancer rates, lower survivability rates. Nothing like rationing of healthcare. Lower quality at a higher price. That's ObamaCare. Higher taxes, lower standard of living. What a deal. Hope and change. Time for the rest of the country to get a clue and wake the hell up.

I'm torn about Afghanistan. I don't expect O to do the right thing which would be eliminating Iran from the equation and sending in overwhelming force to deal with the Taliban. Corruption needs to be effectively addressed and the jihadists in Pakistan need to be dealt with. That isn't what that courageous Afghan woman wants, though. She wants us out.

There are 3 choices: the McChrystal way, the Obama way or the highway.

we just have to look for them

Civil Discourse - ERA - A Mother President - Women's Rights - Primary Reform

Female squash player from Waziristan defies the odds

http://pakteahouse.wordpress.com/2009/11/19/female-squash-player-from-waziristan-defies-the-odds/#more-6598

Yes true that about leaving New Hampster...AGAIN.

Both Aamir and Maria belong to the North West Frontier Province, home also to Pakistan squash legends Jahangir and Jansher Khan, where they train amidst constant threats from the Taliban.

 

Thanks Teak.  I think I'll quote some more of it.

Both Aamir and Maria belong to the North West Frontier Province, home also to Pakistan squash legends Jahangir and Jansher Khan, where they train amidst constant threats from the Taliban. While it has been a comparatively easy ride for Aamir, by virtue of being a male in a part of the country where residents adhere to strict Islamic law, for the 19-year-old Maria it has been a journey of immense courage and perseverance.

Growing up in South Waziristan, Maria was a very different girl, often getting into brawls with boys and generally being very dominating, some very unusual traits for women in NWFP. She was equally lucky to have an open-minded father who noticed his daughter’s sporting talent and ability and did not want it to go to waste.

‘I didn’t want her talent to go to waste,’ Shams-ul-Qayum Wazir said in an interview to CNN. ‘If I would’ve kept her in the village, all she could do was housekeeping,’ he added satisfied with his decision to pack up from South Waziristan and move to Peshawar in late 1999.

Upon her move to Peshawar, Maria was immediately inducted into the Hashim Khan Complex, named after the first great player to emerge from a Pakistani dynasty of squash players which dominated the international game for decades.

emphasis mine

Civil Discourse - ERA - A Mother President - Women's Rights - Primary Reform

Talent is a terrible thing to waste.

 

which I probably said elsewhere in the thread.  That book just makes stories like this so much more meaningful.  I feel like I've been there.

Civil Discourse - ERA - A Mother President - Women's Rights - Primary Reform

and had a very different takeaway.

The Taliban are wanted in Afghanistan by enough of the Powers-That-Be that they will never be defeated from without.

We need to get out. We will never be able to help them until they want to help themselves.

And right now, they don't.

who have had a taste of freedom?  You'd send them back 400 years and back into slavery to their men?

I can't accept that. 

Civil Discourse - ERA - A Mother President - Women's Rights - Primary Reform

Did you ever look at the map of the world that I posted that shows color-coded areas that are free and not free? The global norm is that women are enslaved in one way or another in most of the countries and most countries are not free. This will give you an idea:

(Note: this is the latest map and it shows less green than older versions.)

You see that see of purplish-gray, the Not Free areas? Afghanistan is in the midst of it. Can we afford to occupy that country for years on end in a constant struggle against Islamofascism? Not likely. It's hard to change a culture and the problem isn't just the Taliban.

Here's an interactive map but it isn't as up to date as the map above: Democracy Web | The Map of Freedom